1942: What the Loss of Carole Lombard Means to Clark Gable

28 comments on “1942: What the Loss of Carole Lombard Means to Clark Gable
  1. Carolyn Medina says:

    I have a correction to make, The name of the surviving wife of Otto Winkler is incorrect. She was
    my aunt and her name was JILL not Jilda Winkler. Before her death several years ago, she presented
    to me a set of beautiful Spode dishes which were given to her and Otto as a wedding gift from Clark
    and Carol. The couple was present when my Aunt Jill and Uncle Otto were married. I often wished
    that my aunt and Clark would be a couple after their loss and then I could have called him my
    Uncle Clark Gable, but she explained that he was too much of a womanizer for her.

  2. admin says:

    Carolyn, thank you so much for your comment! The article was written in 1942 and I just type out verbatim what is written and often they have incorrect information. I would love to email you a few questions I’ve always had about Jill. If you’d be willing to answer!

  3. Kimberly says:

    Great story and comment!

  4. Margot Malkin says:

    How many people know that both Carole and her mother were devoted members of the BAHÁ’Í FAITH. Her photograph and a short biography are found in The Bahá’í World -Vol. XIII – 1940-1944. Pg.635. She was a second generation Bahá’í, and had received a Tablet from ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Who assured her of His prayers for her success. Her closest Bahá’í friend, Mrs. Beulah Storrs Lewis writes, “Carole never failed to give credi to her Lord… This Carole few people knew.

    Following her registration as a member of this world religion by the Local Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá’ís of Los Angeles in April 1938, she stated to a friend: “I have acted many parts, I have been in many plays, but this is the greatest act of my life, this is why I was born”.

  5. Carol says:

    I read in Fireball, that Otto had a dream Sunday before the trip & woke up sweating & screaming & told Jill he dreamt he’d die if he was on a plane. It was the Sundat before the trip.
    I bought Screwball hardcover biography of Carole that is supposed to be the most accurate book about Carole. I haven’t gotten very far yet.

    I have Kindle version of Fireball & Martzen has sources for each chapter, but I am not familiar with Kindle & this is first book I’ve bought & read on my iPad. I’m sure there is a way to search but I honestly do not know how.

    I’ll update this comment if I read about Otto dream in that book too.

  6. Lucia Finley says:

    Beulah Storrs Lewis was my great-aunt. She was an actress in early silent films, and joined the Baha’i faith in 1919, becoming a prominent lecturer and missionary for the faith. She was Carole Lombard’s elocution teacher, and became her close personal friend. Although Carole attended classes in the Baha’i faith with her mother, while still a child, it was Beulah who convinced her, in 1938, to join the Baha’i faith.

  7. Mike Matlock says:

    One other correction as well……their honeymoon was in Oatman Arizona, not Kingman.

  8. Vivien says:

    Although I am sure Clark loved his mother-in-law, Mrs. Peters, she was not his only “mother” figure. Although his real mother died when he was an infant, Clark was very close to his step-mother, Jennie Dunlap Gable.

    Thanks for a great post.

  9. Carolyn Hall says:

    My father’s first wife was a second for Carole Lombard. He told me she so closely resembled Carole that she could be photographed within ten feet of the camera. Her name was, I believe, Margaret Strand. Does anyone know of or heard of her? I wonder if there is any info out there on Hollywood seconds or doubles??

  10. admin says:

    They actually never honeymooned in Oatman, that whole thing is a lie. They went straight home after the wedding.

  11. Jackie says:

    I always heard they were married at Tahoe, came down the hill and spent their honeymoon night at the Minden Inn.

  12. admin says:

    Clark and his fifth wife, Kay Williams, were married in Minden, Nevada in 1955.

    Clark and Carole were married in Kingman, Arizona.

  13. Christopher Pike says:

    From a reading of Robert Madsen’s Fireball I don’t think he documents an announcement at the airport per “As he drew in smartly to the curb the voice of an announcer cut sharply in. “We interrupt this broadcast to bring you an important news announcement,” the voice said. “The transport plane bearing Carole Lombard and twenty-one others has been found. They are all believed dead.”

    Madsen writes that word about the plane was sketchy and that the press hadn’t been informed. Please clarify, since I don’t believe that announcement occurred while Gable was arriving at the airport.

  14. Diana says:

    I was reading this article while researching the year of Carole’s death. My grandparents, Louis and Bertine Mongreig, were on a cruise with Clark Gable and I was curious if it was before or after Carole’s death.

  15. Diana says:

    I need to review the photos (some of Mr Gable) to see if the year is printed on them.

  16. admin says:

    Cruise to where? Most of his cruises were after Carole’s death. He traveled a lot in the 40’s and 50’s.

  17. DOOBIE says:

    CAROL RULE!!!! IM A VETERAN AND I LOVE TO HAVE A FELLOW AMERICAN VETERAN AS ARE CAROL AND CLARK….TOO YOU TOO I SALUTE!!!

  18. Chrissy says:

    Did Jill Winkler ever remarry and have any children?

  19. admin says:

    She did remarry. Her name in later documents was Jill Winkler Rath. I am not sure if she had children.

  20. Mimi says:

    If their honeymoon was not in Oatman, then they visited there? Because the town has them listed as part of (or there only:) claim to fame.

    Thanks for info!

  21. admin says:

    It’s possible they maybe blew through town on a hunting trip or something, but I think the whole thing is a complete farce. I have no idea how or why it even started.

  22. I live in Las Vegas. A friend I worked with mentioned something about the 1/16/42 crash. I became very intrigued with the story. Being a historian, I bought the book “Fireball” and have read it twice. I have always been a Clark Gable fan. A movie came out many years ago called Gable and Lombard starring James Brolin and Jill Clayburn. I wish I could find a copy of movie. Carol Lombard was a pretty woman and I bet full of a lot of fun in life. I look forward to viewing more of her movies.

  23. Andrea says:

    Margot i never heard that. My grandmother Dorothy Peters Chew was her cousin. And my grandmother was a Christian. Similar to The church of Christ.

  24. Lori Michelle ELLIOTT says:

    Great read. So sad!

  25. Lori Michelle ELLIOTT says:

    Did Clark ever re-marry?

  26. Kelley S. says:

    Actually Carole’s home town was Fort Wayne, Indiana.

  27. Christine says:

    I am still crying reading this. I always loved Clark Gable. I was born in 1950 so the first time I saw him was in Gone With The Wind when I was very young. But through the years I developed a huge crush on him and one day I read his story and what happened to his wife. I had no idea. The sadness from him was overwhelming. I could see in his movies after 1942 that the light had gone out of his eyes. I am sure that he felt the door close at that time. I wish they all had heeded all the hints that a plane would not survive. It makes me realize that when I have a strong feeling of danger, I need to think twice about it. One time I had that feeling. My husband and I were going for a drive and all of a sudden, in my mind I could literally feel and hear crashes and screaming coming from the freeway. It really scared me so unlike me I asked Don to turn around and go home. The very moment we would have been on that freeway, there was a huge pile up where dozens of people died and many others were seriously injured. I believe God or an angel saved us. We need to all listen to warnings.

  28. admin says:

    Yes, twice more. In 1948, which ended in divorce after about two years. Again in 1955, she was widowed when he died in 1960.

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